Post From Wealthwatch.world Chat Room 8-10-15
Wealthwatch Afternoon Chat   8-10-15   Part 1 of 2

MichelleL: I expected after all the fuss yesterday, news would have been fast and furious last night – or commentary

KiwiDoc: lots of new ay?

Doug_W: untill it actually RVs its all bla bla backgrond noise

KiwiDoc: What’s this I hear about Abadi cashing it in? Disolving the govt?

captl1: Today Abadi closes the newspapers and sat. tv

chattels: I appears that there will be a vote in Parliament tomorrow on the Abadi reforms
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chattels: “al-Jubouri, decided during a meeting of the heads of political blocs and the allocation of parliamentary committees meeting tomorrow to the House of Representatives to discuss the Cabinet decisions and vote on it.”

captl1: Tomorrows meeting will be public with a display of hands for the vote on the reforms.

chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – The head of the Iraqi Parliament’s Finance Committee said on Sunday that Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi’s decision to scratch the positions of six vice presidents and deputy premiers would mean better decision making and savings for the treasury.

“Eliminating deputies of the Iraqi presidency and government will restore 6 billion Iraqi dinars (more than $5 million) to the country’s treasury,” Masoud Haider told Rudaw. “Each of these deputies has a regiment of bodyguards and each would have received one billion dinars per month,” he said.

In an effort to implement a series of political reforms Abadi announced early Sunday he was eliminating the posts of vice president and other high-ranking positions, and reducing the excessive number of official bodyguards.

A statement from Abadi’s office read that, “The posts of Vice President and deputy prime minister would be eliminated immediately.” Thes decision removes Nouri al-Maliki as vice president, a post he has been occupying since he was forced to step down as prime minister last year. Haidar called Abadi’s initiative “a giant and a courageous step to reform.”

Abadi’s decision came only days after Iraqis took to the streets nationwide, demanding better services and an end to corruption. A year-long war with the Islamic State (ISIS) group, widespread official corruption in the previous government and a drop in oil prices – Iraq’s main export – has virtually emptied the Iraqi government’s coffers, according to high-ranking officials.

chattels: rudaw.net/english/middlee…http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/090820152

chattels: A year-long war with the Islamic State (ISIS) group, widespread official corruption in the previous government and a drop in oil prices – Iraq’s main export – has virtually emptied the Iraqi government’s coffers, according to high-ranking officials.

chattels: Iraqi prime minister Haider al-Abadi has proposed abolishing the positions of vice president and deputy prime minister as part of an ambitious reform drive sparked by swelling popular anger over corruption and poor governance.

chattels: ” The cabinet approved the reform plan on Sunday, Mr Abadi’s office said, but changes such as abolishing the posts would apparently require the constitution to be amended, which would necessitate parliamentary action.”

chattels: The cabinet approved the reform plan on Sunday, Mr Abadi’s office said, but changes such as abolishing the posts would apparently require the constitution to be amended, which would necessitate parliamentary action.

chattels: The cabinet approved the reform plan on Sunday, Mr Abadi’s office said, but changes such as abolishing the posts would apparently require the constitution to be amended, which would necessitate parliamentary action.

chattels: wealthwatch.world/showthr…

http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=1629&pid=3513#pid3513

chattels: and ……………………….. ” Mr Maliki and Mr Nujaifi said on Sunday that they supported the reform drive, indicating that the proposed changes may have been made as part of a deal they endorsed. “

captl1: But now Maliki and Allawi oppose it.

chattels: ” ……………the proposed changes may have been made as part of a deal they endorsed. “

chattels: ” ……………the proposed changes may have been made as part of a deal they endorsed. “

chattels: What is the deal ?

chattels: ‹@captl1› Have not seen that yet this morning.

chattels: Maliki may have endorsed it thinking that he would be able to leave the country.

captl1: it’s on another site. A picture of the two embracing…

chattels: ‹@captl1› you have a link ?

SWSD: ‹@chattels› so is the question now ‘How long will it take parliamentary to take action on these changes?’

chattels: ‹@SWSD› it may depend upon the extent of the change(s), but Jobourri intends to vote tomorrow. Is it to be a amendment to the constitution or the ” consent ” of the Parliament to change(s) that are not unconstitutional ?

chattels: ‹@SWSD› Visser tweeted yesterday that one VP position is mandated by the constitution

SWSD: and history has shown us that when we wait for parliamentary to take action for things we think need to be done for our event, we could be here awhile

chattels: the other two have developed by custom to accommodate a quota approach to government

chattels: ‹@SWSD› we already have some clarity today on yesterday and I think that we will see more clearly as the week progresses

newbieDA: ‹@chattels› burathanews.com/news/2731…

http://burathanews.com/news/273135.html

newbieDA: that link you wanted

chattels: Reidar Visser ‏@reidarvisser @SajadJiyad Best course for Abadi maybe to shrink govt while also keeping the minimum of deputy positions mandated by Iraq’s constitution.

chattels: Sajad Jiyad ‏@SajadJiyad @reidarvisser yes I agree, important for PM to keep to constitution, avoid pitfalls that can be used by anti-reform group

chattels: Reidar Visser ‏@reidarvisser 1h1 hour ago #Iraq VP Allawi criticises PM Abadi’s reform package as “unconstitutional” www.alsumaria.tv/news/142… … (He is one of 3 VPs slated for dismissal)  LINK

 chattels: Reidar Visser ‏@reidarvisser Aug 9 Abolishing #Iraq dpy PMs & VPs now hinge on parliament approval. Note that situation without ANY vice presidents is constiutionally dubious

chattels: ‹@SWSD› Visser is an authority on the Iraqi constitution

SWSD: ‹@chattels› has Visser ever said anything about what we are all waiting on…re:rv?

chattels: He is the best mind that we have limited access to about all /any of these constitutional issues

chattels: ‹@SWSD› No, he is very dismissive of the idea of the “RV” as being some ” get rich ” American scheme. He and I communicated for a brief while.

SWSD: ‹@chattels› do you think he doesn’t believe we will get rich off this?

 chattels: ‹@SWSD› UNtil he told me to quit sending him so much rumor and gossip from the Iraqi news and to go learn to speak Arabic :)

SWSD: ‹@chattels› is that a yes or no.? lol

Doug_W: ‹@SWSD› Correct it is

SWSD: does he or doesn’t he believe people will make duckets off this?

chattels: ‹@SWSD› It is not something that I have discussed with him directly, but my sense is that either he does not think upon such things or thinks that it is a fantasy.

SWSD: it still sounds cryptic to me lol

SWSD: so bottom line is don’t listen to his about anything related to an rv

chattels: He does not talk about the ” RV” .

SWSD: Im sure he knows people pay attention to what he says, BECAUSE of the rv

chattels: He is an academic. You can read years of his posts archived at Gulf Press or something, i will get the link for you.

chattels: Gulf News, Word Press

SWSD: its okay, i won’t read it lol

SWSD: don’t waste your time getting it for me lol

chattels: gulfanalysis.wordpress.co…  https://gulfanalysis.wordpress.com/

chattels: ‹@SWSD› ok

SWSD: Even though he isn’t the cbi gov anymore, people still go back to what Shabibi said about “Give me a full GOI, and I’ll give you a rate.” Did he actually even say that? Or were people putting words into his mouth in order to pump this thing?

chattels: ‹@SWSD› guru garbage

SWSD: so where did it come from?

SWSD: why do so many think shabibi said once there is a full goi, there will be an rv?

chattels: ‹@SWSD› Shabbibi’s speech before the Chamber of Commerce in Washington, D.C.

[09:12:15 AM] chattels: Date: Abril 19,2011

chattels: mriqd.com/2013/01/22/dr-s…LINK

http://mriqd.com/2013/01/22/dr-shabibi-video-us-chamber-of-commerce-in-washington-dc-april-19-2011/

SWSD: I remember that, and what Frothbucket said/recorded what Shabs was saying. But shabs eluded the idea of an rv

chattels: Time for work elsewhere

Dianne777: ‹@SWSD› I think it was a member at another site that actually went to that press conf in dc and reocrded it

chattels: Alsumaria News / Baghdad description Vice President Iyad Allawi, on Monday, directed by Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi final for the purpose of reform as “a violation of the Constitution”, in what was considered to Abadi “is not qualified to issue commands.” Allawi said in a press conference held at the headquarters of the National Accord Party Street Olive and attended by Alsumaria News

chattels: www.alsumaria.tv/news/142… LINK

SWSD: ‹@Dianne777› I think it was Frothbucket, who is RichinTexas’s brother

chattels: Shabs said that he did not know when and that even if he did that he could not say.

whitelions: dose it really matter they televised I watched it and he never said that but once one of the gurus said it was said they all ran with it and the result is people think it is fact now or they would not repeat it , gos to show you how far the gurus are willing to go to get your money

whitelions: Whats happening right now is what we should be looking at it’s really heating up

SWSD: lol I remember 5(?) years ago when I was part of DV, and Maliki was elected, people were so hyped up that we were gonna have an rv because of it lol lol

SWSD: im so lost with time with this thing now, I just remember it was when Maliki got elected to PM

Tootsie: Good Morning, lots of interesting items in the ‘good press’ today, not shady ones. haha ~~ yes Abadi has prevented travel , by air or land, of Maliki – and several other shady characters. 7 in all that are suspected of bad deeds, ~

Tootsie: ‹@SWSD› I listened to that Chamber recording 3 times, never heard Shabs state what he purportedly stated. – Another insisted I must have missed it = well, he listened to the whole thing 2 times and said he did not hear it either. So, ?? urban legend? or something like wishful thinking, reading into what one wanted to hear? who knows.

Tootsie: this is really getting interesting , hang on ~ gonna be a bumpy ride

SWSD: ‹@Tootsie› Ive had to get many new tires over the years from all the bumps! lol

Tootsie: ‹@SWSD› hahsaha, good one!!! – yes 5-6 yrs is enough. I have a friend pushing 12 yrs omg

Tootsie: Defense: we won the call against Jumaili and restored more than 21 billion dinars deposited some of them in Al Ain BAGHDAD – Iraq Press – August 10 / August: The Iraqi Ministry of Defense, Monday, it was “filed a lawsuit before the Court of First Instance Karkh in the 27th of October 2008,

against the defendant (Nair Mohamed Ahmed al-Jumaili), to be obliged to re-sum of $ (21,782,468,217 ) Twenty-one billion seven hundred and eighty-two million four hundred and sixty-eight thousand, two hundred and seventeen dinars, seized by Jumaili exploiting his influence when he was a career officer in the ministry. MORE > translate.google.com/tran…  LINK

Tootsie: snip ~ Abadi instructed to ban travel by air and land to officials of the Iraqi state to those who are the rank of director and above, until the completion of the special files of corruption investigations have been opened recently, noting that al-Abadi instructed also to freeze the movement of seven officials said they were senior to travel outside the country.

Tootsie: well – another snip, interesting ~ It came the package after one day call the Shiite cleric Ali al-Sistani to Ebadi to to beat corruption “iron hand” and to appoint officials based on merit, not on the basis of party affiliation or sectarian, and also after protests swept through a number of Albulad.anthy provinces

Tootsie: iron hand! hahahaha

Doug_W: that is the most sensible thing I have heard come out of Iraq ever

Doug_W: no party affiliation but MERIT

Sam: ‹@chattels› peeking in do we have some good news

OOTW: FROM THE SJC SITE

OOTW: Misdemeanor Integrity: 13 funds of banks laundering case in a civil way to resolve Baghdad / JAMC 08/10/2015 01:15:00 Misdemeanor Integrity: 13 funds of banks laundering case in a civil way to resolve Specialized claims integrity in Baghdad misdemeanor court confirmed the presence of 13 banks to issue civil charges related to money laundering, pointing to the 20 defendants in these cases, some degree of chairman. 

Said Judge Radhi Fartusi in a statement to (Media Center Authority Alqdhaiah- JAMC), that “the proceedings currently underway for 13 cases related to money laundering, each of which includes a lawsuit against Ahli Bank,” pointing out that “most of them on the way to the discount.” 

Fartusi He said, “There are 20 defendants on these issues are: degree, head of the Board of Director or the Commissioner, as well as customers,” and added, “court of misdemeanors completed during the last term all the missing procedures”

 He pointed out that “suits have been agitated by the central bank, after that person BSA irregularities on the work of a number of private banks.” 

And “there is suspicion that some of the money had been converted to a fictitious company in an Arab country, has asked the central bank to prove those allegations.” 

And he went Fartusi “We also asked the central bank to determine the value of the damage, and the size of the amounts which in hard currency, and the source, and place currently exist, they been disposed of.” He stated that “the legal representative of the Central Bank told the court today that some of the accused banks began to pay what Bzmtha of funds”, stressing that “this action does not fall lawsuits if it finds harm in public money.” From: Eyas Hossam Acommok www.iraqja.iq/view.2928/

http://www.iraqja.iq/view.2928/

Doug_W: SJC site??

OOTW: SUPREME JUDICIARY

Doug_W: ty

OOTW: PLEASE SEE OUR GOVT THREAD FOR THIS WEEK
OOTW: LOTS GOING ON, AS YOU’D EXPECT
OOTW: RESTRUCTURING OF THE RAFIDAIN AND RASHEED

Doug_W: I get lost over there OO

OOTW: wealthwatch.world/showthr…

http://wealthwatch.world/showthread.php?tid=1638&pid=3535#pid3535

BOBBY: Morning all…… i see the news is rolling

Fit2beFit: The crowd in the square chanted: “Bye bye [Vice President Nouri] al-Maliki”, “Bye bye [Vice President Ayad] Allawi”, “Bye bye [Vice President Usama] al-Nujayfi”, “This nation is with you, brave Abadi”, and “We are with you, Abadi, against the burglars”.

Fit2beFit: Following protests, Iraq cabinet okays PM’s reform package www.turkishweekly.net/201…LINK

Fit2beFit: According to Iraq’s constitution, the prime minister’s reform package must now be referred to parliament for ratification, after which it will go into effect.

BOBBY: OOTW.. i always believed the banking aspect was being overlooked

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